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		<title>By: Jim Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might add that the newsletter is also another example of ATMP bias towards partnered people -- even Kay Trimberger commented on the Spring Issue&#039;s coverage, in part --  
   &quot;I was very taken with the headline &quot;ATMP Cautiously Optimistic on Getting Marriage out of Health Care Reform.,&quot; by Nicky Grist in the ATMP Spring newsletter.  But when I read the article, I found that the optimism referred only to cohabitating couples, and that uncoupled singles, like myself,  were invisible.&quot;

I am also concerned to hear that ATMP privileges some relations over others, based on their function.  Uh oh.  I worry that my relationships (simple friendships, and not living together) might not make the cut?  Why are people having &quot;the right kind&quot; of relationship with someone who has benefits to bestow entitled to unearned benefits, while someone not having the &quot;right kind&quot; of relationship with such a person not entitled? 

As for &quot;our campaign for plus-one federal employee benefits&quot;  -- O.K., so employees will be able to name any one adult person to receive benefits. But what about someone who is not lucky enough to be named by anyone for benefits?  This is also discrimination based on &quot;relational status&quot; as I&#039;ve discussed in the previous paragraph.  Health care or any other benefits should not depend on being lucky enough to be named by someone with benefits to  bestow.

Best,
Jim Larson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might add that the newsletter is also another example of ATMP bias towards partnered people &#8212; even Kay Trimberger commented on the Spring Issue&#8217;s coverage, in part &#8212;<br />
   &#8220;I was very taken with the headline &#8220;ATMP Cautiously Optimistic on Getting Marriage out of Health Care Reform.,&#8221; by Nicky Grist in the ATMP Spring newsletter.  But when I read the article, I found that the optimism referred only to cohabitating couples, and that uncoupled singles, like myself,  were invisible.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am also concerned to hear that ATMP privileges some relations over others, based on their function.  Uh oh.  I worry that my relationships (simple friendships, and not living together) might not make the cut?  Why are people having &#8220;the right kind&#8221; of relationship with someone who has benefits to bestow entitled to unearned benefits, while someone not having the &#8220;right kind&#8221; of relationship with such a person not entitled? </p>
<p>As for &#8220;our campaign for plus-one federal employee benefits&#8221;  &#8212; O.K., so employees will be able to name any one adult person to receive benefits. But what about someone who is not lucky enough to be named by anyone for benefits?  This is also discrimination based on &#8220;relational status&#8221; as I&#8217;ve discussed in the previous paragraph.  Health care or any other benefits should not depend on being lucky enough to be named by someone with benefits to  bestow.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jim Larson</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Larson</title>
		<link>http://unmarried.org/blog/2009/08/20/unmarried-uninsured-out-of-luck/comment-page-1/#comment-6876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see more inclusive language regarding health benefits.  

But over the past years, including the past year, I&#039;ve seen innumerable times on ATMP-TALK when you and others favorably post about expansion of Domestic Partner benefits without any consideration or even a mention for those -- the uncoupled -- who will have to pay for them.  I&#039;ve pointed this out many times.  If I was wrong or misreading ATMP policy, you might have pointed that out to me then.  

Likewise, I see ATMP supporting gay marriage, which is fine, but I never see any mention of the gay (and straight) unmarrieds who will have to pay for these benefits.

Thank you for all your work,
Jim Larson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see more inclusive language regarding health benefits.  </p>
<p>But over the past years, including the past year, I&#8217;ve seen innumerable times on ATMP-TALK when you and others favorably post about expansion of Domestic Partner benefits without any consideration or even a mention for those &#8212; the uncoupled &#8212; who will have to pay for them.  I&#8217;ve pointed this out many times.  If I was wrong or misreading ATMP policy, you might have pointed that out to me then.  </p>
<p>Likewise, I see ATMP supporting gay marriage, which is fine, but I never see any mention of the gay (and straight) unmarrieds who will have to pay for these benefits.</p>
<p>Thank you for all your work,<br />
Jim Larson</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you&#039;re right and we&#039;ve always agreed on the principle.  This principle is front and center in our commentary on the Senate Finance Committee&#039;s draft health reform proposal and in our campaign for plus-one federal employee benefits.  In fact, nearly 150 AtMP members were perfectly happy to urge the President and Congress to create plus-one benefits and not one said benefits should only go to romantic couples.

When AtMP says &quot;unmarried&quot; we are very conscious of who&#039;s included.  I urge you not to read couples into our fact sheets and proposals unless they are really there.  We are still looking for the perfect terminology.  Our board has long conversations about the meaning of marital, relationship and conjugal status discrimination.  We feel strongly that it is wrong to privilege some relationships over others simply because of their names.  However, we do see a role for laws that treat some relationships differently from others because of their function, and we do see a role for society to protect dependents when their relationships end.  Until we find the perfect phrase, I&#039;ll keep describing our work as fighting marital status discrimination and proposing alternatives that focus on the function of a relationship not its sexual or intimate character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you&#8217;re right and we&#8217;ve always agreed on the principle.  This principle is front and center in our commentary on the Senate Finance Committee&#8217;s draft health reform proposal and in our campaign for plus-one federal employee benefits.  In fact, nearly 150 AtMP members were perfectly happy to urge the President and Congress to create plus-one benefits and not one said benefits should only go to romantic couples.</p>
<p>When AtMP says &#8220;unmarried&#8221; we are very conscious of who&#8217;s included.  I urge you not to read couples into our fact sheets and proposals unless they are really there.  We are still looking for the perfect terminology.  Our board has long conversations about the meaning of marital, relationship and conjugal status discrimination.  We feel strongly that it is wrong to privilege some relationships over others simply because of their names.  However, we do see a role for laws that treat some relationships differently from others because of their function, and we do see a role for society to protect dependents when their relationships end.  Until we find the perfect phrase, I&#8217;ll keep describing our work as fighting marital status discrimination and proposing alternatives that focus on the function of a relationship not its sexual or intimate character.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we need to take relationship status out of the health care equation too.  Most large companies, per something I read along time ago, now offer domestic partner benefits on an equal basis with spousal benefits.  But the uncoupled get no benefits other than those they earn directly.  No benefits simply for having a &quot;relationship&quot;.

I am sick and tired of everything being framed in terms  of married vs. unmarried.  The real problem in this country, and ATMP, is COUPLEMANIA - that all couples should get benefits and to heck with the uncoupled.

DAMMIT ATMP.  We uncoupled are 7/8 of the unmarried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we need to take relationship status out of the health care equation too.  Most large companies, per something I read along time ago, now offer domestic partner benefits on an equal basis with spousal benefits.  But the uncoupled get no benefits other than those they earn directly.  No benefits simply for having a &#8220;relationship&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am sick and tired of everything being framed in terms  of married vs. unmarried.  The real problem in this country, and ATMP, is COUPLEMANIA &#8211; that all couples should get benefits and to heck with the uncoupled.</p>
<p>DAMMIT ATMP.  We uncoupled are 7/8 of the unmarried.</p>
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